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Hello

 

As it was established, folders are gone. Mine WERE converted to tags, so I still have a kind of structure in my data, but when I want to create a new entry, I have to enter the tags manually! While it is possible, it *IS* *VERY* impracticable, and I am very disappointed. The folder structure was (at least for me) THE one distinctive feature that separated Enpass from other password managers, some of which are generally much better software, but none of them offered folder support (as far as I know).

In my opinion it was an unwise move, since the main usage mode of most, if not all password managers is quickly looking up on the cellphone (more often)  or quickly creating a new entry on the cellphone (a bit less often). Since I had a rather highly structured folder tree with up to 5 levels of depth, that means that now I have to

- enter all (up to five) tags

- enter them manually

- memorize them all, because there is no way for me to look up how exactly I have to write them (both on cellphone/iPad and on my PC)

- do all of this on the darn tiny cellphone keyboard without mistyping

Previously, I simply went to the folder of my choice and created a new entry as always. Straight and simple.

I guess that now the (container) XML files are a bit simplified, but the processes are more complicated.

What angers me additionally is that now there is a premium version, for which I have to pay (again), and the one feature I was still missing in Enpass (custom templates) is only present in the premium version. Six bucks for the PC, six for the mobile version, and again six for the Mac. I was promised a lifetime license when I bought it last time. The way I see it, the version 7 will be "gold" and will cost more money, version 8 "platinum" and will cost even more, the version 9 "vibranium" and so on.

I know that development costs money, but milking users was and stays an unpopular move, especially when the software loses important features. I'm already looking for an alternative which still offers support for a hierarchical structure. Any recommendations?

 

regards

  Waira

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Hi @Waira

Thanks for your feedback. Actually, the Tags are exactly like the folders and they are nested too. Also, you can tag an item while creating it.

On 12/30/2018 at 2:17 PM, Waira said:

enter all (up to five) tags

- enter them manually

- memorize them all, because there is no way for me to look up how exactly I have to write them (both on cellphone/iPad and on my PC)

- do all of this on the darn tiny cellphone keyboard without mistyping

There is a bug in the current version which restricts you from using the same Tag name ever in other hierarchy of folders(like a:b:c and r:b:c) and we will fix it very soon. Also, you won't need to remember the tag as there will be a tag editor at the Edit page.

 

On 12/30/2018 at 2:17 PM, Waira said:

Previously, I simply went to the folder of my choice and created a new entry as always. Straight and simple.

 

You can still do this from the sidebar, under tags. Select the Tag and right click to create a new Subtag or browser the hierarchy. On the desktop just drag and drop the item there and on ipad you can still go into the tag from Groups->Tags and create a new tag or add any item inside the tag.

 

On 12/30/2018 at 2:17 PM, Waira said:

I know that development costs money, but milking users was and stays an unpopular move, especially when the software loses important features.

Please do not feel like this and we assure you to make it as smooth as you want in every respect. Please bear with us and feel free to share your feedback.

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12 minutes ago, Hemant Kumar said:

@Waira

Please do not feel like this and we assure you to make it as smooth as you want in every respect. Please bear with us and feel free to share your feedback.

A good company would have not monetized so much WITHOUT asking for their users' opinions first.  You strive on security yet you are starting to make all users feel insecure.

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On 1/1/2019 at 1:45 AM, aljawaid said:

A good company would have not monetized so much WITHOUT asking for their users' opinions first.  You strive on security yet you are starting to make all users feel insecure.

You may have missed it, but the new version has been in beta for months, with a lot of users providing a lot feedback (look through these forums). Granted, there should have been a lot more work done before this release was made public. It's definitely not clean enough to be out of beta yet, and I don't know what led to that weird decision. But Enpass definitely asked for, and received, a lot of users' opinions first.

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On 1/1/2019 at 1:31 AM, Hemant Kumar said:
On 12/30/2018 at 12:47 AM, Waira said:

- enter them manually

- memorize them all, because there is no way for me to look up how exactly I have to write them (both on cellphone/iPad and on my PC)

Also, you won't need to remember the tag as there will be a tag editor at the Edit page.

Hemant, you're missing the point of this one. As I've mentioned multiple times in the beta forums, the fields for adding tags need to offer auto-fill suggestions from existing tags. Currently users have to manually type in every tag IN FULL.This leads to mistakes, and those mistakes turn into multiple similar tags. This is especially true because it's impossible to scroll the sidebar while in editing mode, so it's very easy to end up in a situation where you're typing in the name of a tag that you can't even see in the sidebar. (BTW, it's even worse in mobile, where there's no sidebar at all, so you genuinely have to have memorized every single tag you've ever created because you have to type them out, in full, without anything to go on.)

I've ended up with the same tag, but slightly different, multiple times because of this. At one point I had a Utility tag, an Utilities tag, and a Utilties (misspelled) tag because Enpass offers ZERO assistance to the user when adding tags.

Adding auto-fill suggestions when typing in tags should be a very high priority for upcoming releases. Adding tags is a BIG pain in the butt right now.

 

 

On 1/1/2019 at 1:31 AM, Hemant Kumar said:
On 12/30/2018 at 12:47 AM, Waira said:

Previously, I simply went to the folder of my choice and created a new entry as always. Straight and simple.

 

You can still do this from the sidebar, under tags. Select the Tag and right click to create a new Subtag or browser the hierarchy. On the desktop just drag and drop the item there and on ipad you can still go into the tag from Groups->Tags and create a new tag or add any item inside the tag.

You're also misunderstanding the problem here. I believe Waira is saying that in Enpass 6 it's impossible to click on a tag, then create a new item and have it already include that tag. In Enpass 5, if you were in your Utilities folder when you started a new item, that item would be created in your Utilities folder. In Enpass 6, if you're in your Utilities tag when you start a new item, it is not automatically tagged with the Utilities tag. This leads to the problem I describe above, where you're forced to manually type in the entire name of your tag, and get it exactly right, every...single...time you add a tag. That is inconvenient, a big hassle, and there's no reason it should be necessary.

 

For the record, I'm fine with tags — if they're well implemented and user-friendly. But in Enpass 6, they are most definitely not.

 

 

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Hi all,

Auto addition of selected tag from sidebar when adding an item is coming in next update.

Tag autocomplete is on our list and you will see it in future.

Thanks.

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I do not like the new interface. The previous one was intuitive and clean, perfect, wonderful, but version 6 I'm going to uninstall it. Please, put on the web the last 5 version to be able to download it the many users that we are not happy with the new one.

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I do not like the new interface. The previous one was intuitive and clean, perfect, wonderful, but version 6 I'm going to uninstall it. Please, put on the web the last 5 version to be able to download it the many users that we are not happy with the new one.

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On 12/30/2018 at 9:47 AM, Waira said:

As it was established, folders are gone. Mine WERE converted to tags, so I still have a kind of structure in my data, but when I want to create a new entry, I have to enter the tags manually! While it is possible, it *IS* *VERY* impracticable, and I am very disappointed. The folder structure was (at least for me) THE one distinctive feature that separated Enpass from other password managers, some of which are generally much better software, but none of them offered folder support (as far as I know).

Bitwarden has folder support. I'm not a big fan of version 6 either - and the support of Enpass is ridiculously slow in the last weeks.

Think about switching to Bitwarden, they make a great job. The only downfall is that they have no support for wear OS devices :-(

 

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enter all up to five tags, enter them manually, memorize them all, because there is no way for me to look up how exactly I have to write them (both on cellphone/iPad and on my PC),

do all of this on the darn tiny cellphone keyboard without mistyping.

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